Release dates for Sony Ericsson's K850 and W960

According to se-nse the K850 will be released in October and the W960 in December. The dates make sense and fall within the Q4 time frame. I just really hope the K850 will be released as soon as possible. SE, how about you surprise everyone and release it earlier? I know I would be delighted and willing to pay a high price for the phone.